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Ethan Heppner's avatar

Great to see these LiDAR cost trends.

One comment about your estimated depreciation costs: they should be much higher, for both Waymo and Uber. Driving 3,000+ hours per year would wear out a car in much less than 10 years.

I made a different visual here that estimates cost of Waymo vs. Uber as a percentage of current total Uber fares. It seems like Waymos will become cost competitive once their vehicles are only twice the price of the average Uber driver's car: https://www.2120insights.com/i/152869747/medium-term-is-the-price-right

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Inverteum Capital's avatar

1) "Pre-Waymo cutting edge LiDAR systems cost around $75,000 per unit. Uses were mostly limited to military and geographical mapping. If you wanted to build a transport-related solution then you needed at least 3 units. Fast forward to today and these systems are tracking to drop below $1k in total in China."

With a $75k unit cost, no wonder Elon has refused to use lidar in Teslas. Now, with sub-$1k unit cost, it won't make sense not to have lidar.

2) Waymo is "managing 200k rides per week with a fleet not much larger than 1,000 vehicles."

The average car is used only 4% of the time. By transcending the human need for sleep, Waymo shows the power of operating cars 50-80% of the time, allowing for the generation of an astounding $1m worth of driver time value compared to a human-driven car.

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