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Andrew Coye's avatar

Ben, great post! Thank you.

Reposting from X since I think you're focusing on Substack:

A few questions and thoughts based on an initial read:

RE: Youtube - When you use Netflix's valuation, would it make more sense to value YT subscription revenue (~$14bn est.) at the $NFLX multiple (since its stickier, subscription based) and then apply some ad-supported multiple to the YT ad revenue (ie. a $META type-multiple)?

YT also has YoutubeTV which I've seen estimated at ~8 million users now paying $83 per month. The margins on this business are probably quite modest due to content cost (teens? but just guessing). That's ~$8 billion of subscription revenue that would attract a very low multiple, even though it makes YT better and scarier to incumbent cable TV.

RE: Waymo - Has anyone done a simple single car unit economics?

A car has a fixed cost, known depreciable life and operating cost per mile (no one wants to ride in a 150k mile taxi?) Add on the estimated cost of Google's sensors and assume modest operating (compute) costs.

Then just need to know the avg. Waymo fare-per-mile and the key variable becomes utilisation, but 100% provides the upper bound.

Also different possible models of WaymOS licensing (royalty) vs. Owned and operated (above), but would be clearer to understand the actual unit revenue potential, even if long-term margins are unclear.

RE: AI-sistant - Is it possible that Google makes the AndroidOS integrated voice-based Gemini Agent (Siri) so good, so fast, that it becomes a must have feature and $AAPL falls far enough behind that they have to license it or allow it on the iPhone?

RE:Valuation.

Agree SOTP shows a fair degree of Google $GOOG undervaluation.

Another framing is that given an undemanding starting multiple (<20x trailing P/E), it's possible to simply underwrite the EPS growth rate as an expected return without any revaluation.

Each of the dimensions you outline, ignoring Search ads (which are also probably still growing, but economically sensitive), especially Cloud, provide a high degree of certainty of a continued strong EPS growth rate, unless search ads truly dry-up and turn negative.

Would be interested to see you turn the analysis into a range of possible EPS growth rates / scenarios.

Much appreciated!

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Simon Severino's avatar

Great article!

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